User login

Navigation

You are here

is fracture mechanics fake science?

Normal.dotm
0
0
1
146
837
utm
6
1
1027
12.0

0
false

18 pt
18 pt
0
0

false
false
false

/* Style Definitions */
table.MsoNormalTable
{mso-style-name:"Table Normal";
mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0;
mso-tstyle-colband-size:0;
mso-style-noshow:yes;
mso-style-parent:"";
mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
mso-para-margin-top:0in;
mso-para-margin-right:0in;
mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt;
mso-para-margin-left:0in;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast;
mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;
mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;}

I am not a fracture mechanics person per say. I have a mentor/senior
who has his phd in fracture mechanics (more than 30 years ago) worked and teach
it for decades and a close friend of Erdogan. He was my professor back when I
did undergraduate 20yrs ago.

He is very pessimistic about fracture mechanics. even in his
book, he wrote that fracture mechanics is LIE and and FAKE science? is it
true??

http://www.lulu.com/product/hardcover/application-of-linear-elastic-fracture-mechanics-in-materials-science-and-engineering/16125904

 

at the same time, when I put his name into scientific search
engine, like sciencedirect, google scholar, or scopus, almost all of his
writing is on fracture mechanics…

 

what is actually the reason for this fundamentally wrong
thing?? A real fracture mechanics engineers out there who can explain to me in
an easy language,… please.

Comments

Nice try, peteranderson6663 @ yahoo . com! ... OK. If the book appears on Google Books, esp. the LIE- and FAKE-mentioning portions of it, I will make sure to have a look at it. And, if the book is priced <= Rs. 1500/- (USD 25/-), I will buy it even with your introduction here alone, Google Books being unnecessary. (Paperback is OK.)

I am not a "real" fracture mechanics engineer, and thus, I sure can (and will!) give it a try, here.

The basic issue (call it difficulty, if you wish) most "outsiders" have with fracture mechanics is the basic nature of this theory---its singularity-involving formulation. Once you get past that part---i.e., once you understand that the real focus of the thoery is not what happens at the singular point but what it tells about the mechanical state of the part and the material's response to it everywhere else---you already are well on your way out of the difficulty.

Now, there are other issues, e.g. the presence of reversibility in the theory despite the irreversible nature of plastic deformation/damage and crack growth, the inability of the theory to integrally include at a fundamental level certain issues like dissipation, size effects, dynamic fracture-effects etc. These issues are there. However, IMHO, these are secondary.

When a freshly minted BS/BE/BTech (Mech./Civil/Biotech) engineer, exuding his new-found confidence in, e.g., Shigley's text and the thick books detailing the standard design practice codes, begins to ask: "How do I design for fracture-related considerations using this theory? You say this KIC is a material property. OK. How does this material property help me in my design procedure? Where, precisely, do I plug it in, in my step-by-step design procedure code for, say, a design-by-strength (let alone design by stiffness/flexibility)?" When he raises those questions, what he is rather indirectly pointing at is this peculiar, singularity-involving nature of the theory. He then thinks that he can circumvent the said difficulty by blowing up the safety factor a comfortable bit more---or by design introducing a smooth circular hole right in the likely path of the growth of a crack (which will reduce the stress concentration). If the solution(s) are as simple as that, why should he bother with the fracture-mechanics theory? Such may be his point of view (also shared by many of his seniors). And, coming from that position, the theory does begin to look FAKE! ... Just a hypothesis.

My two cents.

(And yes, as soon as a low-cost edition comes out, I will go ahead and buy it, even if driven to do so only by plain curiosity and no professional considerations.)

[BTW, are you Dr. Peter Anderson of Ohio State Materials Dept? [URL deleted on request on June 28, 2011]]

Best,

--Ajit

- - - - -
[E&OE]

First of all, would you please delete that URL of Dr Anderson?

no, I am not him. I am just a corrosion guy.

I am reading elementary fracture mechanics again now.

Its been a while since i did it in undergraduate. 

second one,  I am somehow now confused on how a crack length can be treated as one of the parameters of the equation, instead of real physical elements such as atomic bonding, or even microstructure.

 

thanks again

please also do me a favor and delete the URL

Ok. Deleted the URL link.

--Ajit

- - - - -
[E&OE]

Ajit,

and also all of you who read this thread.

I STRONGLY believe that all of you in this board are experts in mechanics.

forget about the book and forget about anything i wrote there, that FM is fake science.

I do apologize if many of you are feeling offended by my 'french'.

I just need some explaination: why fracture mechanics is wrong and not acceptable for some people who clearly understood the concept of fracture mechanics?

that's all....no more than that.

thank you in advance.

PA.

or I would say some concepts have been used (or extended) to areas and occasions that these concepts not longer apply.

for instance, if you find a J-integral using plane strain condition, but tried to treat that value as a critical value for sheets of various thickness, you are wrong. another instance, if you find K_ic value for a material and then apply it to simple shear, you are wrong. Experimentalist probably have more to comment. But I have seen these inaccurate (or incorrect, if you would like to say) applications all the time. 

can you elaborate to the applications that are right, or wrong here?

isn't that also another way of saying that the theory is wrong ?

or the theory still right and scientifically sounds?

Using the J-integral as an example, (1) if you have plane strain condition in both your calibration procedure and your real world condition, you might get a right answer. (2) if the plane strain condition is lost, but you still want to use the same number you got in (1), you are wrong.

The concept is simple enough, with green's theorem, it is mathematically accurate and I believe the theory is right. However, it is often applied wrong - I mean the conditions the theory can be applied are no longer satisfied. But people will try to apply it to their day-to-day problems anyway......

Subscribe to Comments for "is fracture mechanics fake science?"

Recent comments

More comments

Syndicate

Subscribe to Syndicate